And again, I stated that it is in the best interest to consult an ortho first, the determine the course of Tx…if a cast is required, your local acupuncturist is way out of scope. If an acu resets a bone, again, that is way out of scope–read your practice acts, know your limitations as to what you are capable of doing and what the law you can and cannot do. I you would suggest you grow a little and understand to concept of integrated medicine.

Given the state of the economy, hospitals will cut the average acupuncturist before they cut a nurse, a PA, or an NP, a PT, or even a PCT. Given the fact that many PT’s, OTs and NPs are now studying TCM, they will be the ones of far more value to the hospitals over the single line acupuncturist. Even a Patient Care Tech is far more employable in the hospital over an LAc. I’ve seen hospitals cut acupuncturist services and keep the PCTs. Wish you the best in your search.

Well, just this morning I talked to my friend again whose wife is a lung transplant RN, at her hospital – which is the medical facility of the local university of our metro area – just recently they laid off over 190 doctors! The acupuncturist that was hired there less than a year ago – as the first TCM practitioner – is still there! Looks like in reality highly trained doctors as you’d think. This is reality vs. your own beliefs. Again.
Again:
Acupuncture: 1
Rank:0

So thank you for the wishes.

Quick correction, in the like starting with ‘Looks like in reality …’ I meant to say: Looks like in reality they don’t need those highly trained doctors as you’d think.

Again, this is reality and not just beliefs!

Something is wrong with my computer, keeps deleting what I am writing.

i lived in Beijing for a while.. better to get treatment & cured there.. then to be treated like a Hiroshima bomb blast victim with Chemo..in the West..

Well, considering I work in a hospital and I know many transdisciplinary practitioners ie NP’s, RN’s, PTs, OTs who are also LAc’s, my position and theirs is very secure. Besides MD’s are often on indepedent contracts, and they’re either renewed or not, unless they’re hospitalists.The LAcs in the hospitals in my area are eliminated (one of largest metropolises in the country). So contain you’re enuresis with bu zhong yi zi tang or perhaps sang piao xiao, if that doesn’t work, try DDAVP.

I’m not saying you are not correct, but believe me, what I said is also true. I also live in the largest metro area of our state, and my friends wife works at the largest university hospital here. It is true. They just laid off over 190 doctors but the LAc they hired less than a year ago for their experimental program is still there.

Again, I am not saying your situation isn’t true but don’t generalize to everyone because it not necessarily true for others.

Well, I just read an article that sheds even more light to those who simply believe in the existence of material but not energy, and call acupuncturists scam artist and brain washwers (unfortunately today this means about 85% of western MDs!). Just recently rediscovered in the body something called the Bonghan channels. These channels run withing the blood vessels and, ready for this, CORRESPOND WITH THE ACUPUNCTURE MERIDIANS AND POINTS! These channels where first discovered in the 60s by ..

A North Korean doctor and verified independently in Japan. The founding was later dismissed because Kim Bonghan would not release the tint that would make these channels visible. With the advancement of microscopy just recently these channels were now visible. These channels are compared to fiber-optic channels that capable of transmitting mass amount of information compared to the limited, one-way communicating nervous system! Bonghan also found in chickens this network begins to develop…

… 15 hours of conception.

The tubular structures of the Bonghan channels contain a fluid that includes abundant hyaluronic acid and small granules of DNA or microcells that contain chromosomal material highly reactive to stem-cell antibody stains. These may be our body’s matural source of pluripotent adult stem cell, with the potential to develop into any cell in the body.

So there you have it again:
Acupuncture: (this time) a 10
Rank: -10

Article published by David Milbrandt, LAc.

The interesting thing is that – although they were not able to have any physical proof of it – but in China this network system was discovered 3,000 years ago, in the west 85% of MDs today (in 2009) still don’t believe in it! We will see though where the recent rediscovery of the Kim Bonghan’s channels will take the western medical field. I see though that the table is turning!

Rank, make sure you also read my recent posts on the Bonghan channels.

Rank: I just read another article where Dr. Charles Shang, MD, (oh wait, it’s a Chinese dude trained in western med so we just discredit him right away), but he pointed out that: “Acupuncture points are the same as the discrete organizational centers that embryologists have found to control the development of embryos”! He postulates that this system of growth control centers (or acupuncture points) shape the embryo growth then later persists for the purpose of managing repair and renewal…

… at the cellular level! As he states: “The meridians may be a convenient way of activating intrinsic adult stem cells”.
Because the meridian system organizes the development of the embryo from the very beginning, well before the circulatory and nervous system (as it’s showed with the chickens, 15 hours after conception) it indicates that it is a more ancient system that has developed BEFORE the less advanced nervous system.

So this also indicates the possibilities acupuncture still holds.

what…did you just read milbrandt’s article? I met milbrandt 2 yrs ago and he told me about the research he did on the bonghan channels–that is one of the more interesting points of convergence. If you grasp the basic concepts of my posts, you will see that I have stated nothing against TCM per se, but rather many american practitioners who proclaim the title “doctor” and that a DOM is NOT the equivalent of an MD. that title is the domain of medical physician.

If you want the privilege of the title of MD in the U.S., go to med school, then go study TCM, or vice versa. Acknowledge your scope of practice and the limitations of what the letter of law says what you can and cannot do. conduct the research with duplicable and statistically significant studies that either validate or invalidate. Chairman Mao revived TCM by fusing the best practices of it with the best practices of biomed (at that time).

The rubric of a profession is made of 3 components: History, Theory, and (self) Criticism.There is no contending the historical and theoretical constructs. If TCM is to truly survive, it must be self-critical. Part of the critique lies in the education process:The CCAOM must change the entry rubric from an AA to mandatory BA/BS with ranking to sort out the best potential students. Your misunderstanding proves you lack basic critical thinking and maturity. Typical sophomoric TCM student behavior

Milbrandt just published his research in the April 2009 issue of the Acupuncture Today paper, that is where I just read about it.

As I already mentioned before the route I am taking is: BS (already completed) -> masters (working on it) -> doctorate -. PhD (most likely in Shandung, China). So while most acupuncturists may take a different direction, these are my personal plans.

.. and speaking of lacking basic critical thinking, just listen to this old fart Dr. Sampson: ‘The most ridiculous idea of Yin and Yang…’. This idea in China is thought to ELEMENTARY school children, it is an expression of the two opposite forces that strive for balance. These are present in any scientific fields, mathematics (balancing the two sides of an equations), economics (the basic law of supply and demand), accounting where the two sides of the sheet must be balanced, or…

… any scientific fields. The words Yin and Yang are merely two words to classify (and represent) the two opposites sides. Absolutely nothing else.

But hey, this is too much for a doctor with ‘high education’ that is beyond the scope of an acupuncturists to understand. … LOL

This is just typical closed minded, arrogant, know-it-all western med doctor behavior.

rank and blade:
im no doctor, im not studying to be a doctor, but im open to ideas.
lets be honest, if the treatment of acupuncture has the desired effect, the same way that western medicine does, thne wheres is the problem? the hippocratic oath is basically a promise to do all you can to heal a patient, i dont know if the chinese take the same oath.

but if both methods and doctors are successful, then what does it matter, they still fulfill the oath, and thats what should matter, is it not?

Here is a confused educated idiot who trys to argue both sides of the issue at the same time, I believe -I don”t believe…which is it…you are not centered, all of you are unable to express yourselves except fot the old man at the begginning,(who invariably has his head up his culo) a trait of ignorance!

My mom is an acupuncturist. She saved my father’s life twice from heart attacks. My father told me that during the first heart attack he passed out. He remembered the “out of the body experience” after passing out. He remembered seeing my mom inserting the needles. He also remembered the sensation of being pulled back into his body and waking up. Acupuncture kept him stable during the second heart attack until medics arrived. The concept of qi and meridian works because the human soul is real.